Listening to the Light: What 3I/ATLAS Might Be Telling Us About Intelligence, Propulsion, and Perception
Humans are creatures of sound. Our biology is tuned to vibration—ears shaped to catch waves in air, minds trained to decode meaning from pitch and rhythm. Even our technologies reflect this bias: radios, sonar, and interstellar messages encoded in electromagnetic echoes of our auditory instincts.
But what if intelligence elsewhere never evolved with sound?
What if their perception developed in silence—attuned not to pressure waves, but to the curvature of spacetime, the shimmer of mass in motion, the whisper of photons bending under engineered weight?
This isn’t fantasy. It’s a challenge to our assumptions.
Just as we once believed Earth was the center of the cosmos, we now risk assuming our sensory palette defines the universal language of communication and travel.
Then came 3I/ATLAS.
A Comet—or Something Else?
Discovered in 2023, 3I/ATLAS is the third confirmed interstellar object to pass through our solar system. But unlike its predecessors, it exhibits behaviors that defy conventional cometary physics:
• Anti-tail anomaly: Instead of streaming away from the Sun, its jet points toward it—a rare and poorly understood phenomenon.
• Nickel-rich, iron-free emissions: It ejects about 4 grams of nickel per second, with no detectable iron—a composition not seen in natural comets.
• Slow dust ejection and faint coma: These features suggest atypical sublimation behavior, possibly pointing to exotic material properties or engineered shielding.
• Deliberate motion: Its trajectory and speed appear unusually restrained for an interstellar object, prompting speculation about intentional deceleration.
These anomalies have led some researchers—including Harvard’s Avi Loeb—to entertain the possibility that 3I/ATLAS might be more than just a rock. Not as a conclusion, but as a hypothesis worth exploring.
The Physics of Light-Speed Travel—And a Speculative Twist
In theoretical physics, photons are massless, yet they carry momentum. This principle underlies concepts like solar sails and laser-driven propulsion. But what if a civilization could go further—infusing photons with effective mass through exotic fields or quantum coupling?
Such a system might:
• Manipulate inertia to reduce resistance at relativistic speeds
• Use mass-infused light beams to create directional thrust without conventional fuel
• Achieve near-light-speed travel by bending the rules of radiation pressure and momentum transfer
If 3I/ATLAS were equipped with such a system, its anti-tail could be a directed energy plume—part propulsion, part sensor array. Its nickel-only emissions might reflect engineered alloys designed for heat resistance, stealth, or electromagnetic control.
And if it slowed near our star, it might not be a malfunction. It might be observation. A pause. A moment of listening—not with ears, but with instruments tuned to the chaos and beauty of our electromagnetic noise.
Why the Nickel Matters
In most cosmic bodies, nickel and iron are inseparable. They form together in supernovae and are chemically similar, often alloyed. If nickel is present, iron should be too.
But 3I/ATLAS emits nickel without iron.
This suggests selective sublimation or engineered separation—something not explained by standard thermal or chemical models. In metallurgy, nickel is prized for its heat resistance, corrosion protection, and magnetic properties. If this object were artificial, a nickel-rich composition could reflect intentional design for durability near stars or for stealth.
It’s not proof. But it’s a clue.
Cosmic Humility
We send probes. We watch planets. We slow down to study what matters.
Why assume others wouldn’t?
The story of 3I/ATLAS invites us to reconsider what intelligence might look like—not just in form, but in perception. It challenges our assumptions about propulsion, communication, and the quiet ways observation might occur.
Whether natural or not, 3I/ATLAS reminds us: anomalies are where understanding begins.
We need to keep our minds open to many hypotheses. It always amazes me that people calling themselves “scientists”, think all phenomena can be measured ,and possibly dismissed, by their existing yardsticks.
I have no idea what the origin of this object is. What concerns me more is the seeming lack of curiosity of the so called “expert scientists”. Are they truly that rigid in their own thoughts that they’ve abandoned the tenets of science and refuse to question or explore, to disprove their own theories? Or is something else driving them to deny anything is different about what’s happening? Either way it speaks poorly about what’s happened to education in the last half century.
I do feel that it is quite probable we are being observed, not by hostile forces but by intelligent life forms that possibly realize we are not quite ready to "play" with them since our world is still being controlled by fear tactics! I do hope we mature soon. I would love to experience Contact in my lifetime. As always, your article was a piece of magnificent writing.
Thank you for providing some light on this important topic and for fostering a very interesting discussion.
I first heard about 3I/ATLAS from Jeff Childers' substack this summer. I noticed that this news was generally ignored by MSM. Déjà vu.
For my part, I am no expert but I have always thought it was illogical that the Cosmos, in its immensity, gave birth to only the one human people living on our Earth. It seems to me not only impossible, but perhaps very pretentious to think so. I understand and respect that many people today cannot yet accept this possibility and it is totally their choice.
But it appears obvious to me that this object visiting our system is not "natural", nor a pure coincidence, but that it must come from extraterrestrial peoples with an intention that remains unknown to us.
Talking about it, exchanging, trying to understand seems essential for our own evolution.
I find that your assumptions about the possible intentions behind this stellar object are inspiring. Same with some contributions made here.
Of course, they presuppose the existence of other forms of life elsewhere in this universe.
Fascinating, Madhava! Thank you for shining light on this unusual cosmic phenomenon. While I agree that we should be open to all potential explanations of it, the fact remains that right here and now it still behooves us humans to utilize the vast intelligence we already possess to make our own world more livable, i.e., choosing a path of peace and cooperation, over perpetuating unresolved conflict and eventual self-destruction.
Interesting. Thank you for the hard work and information. Who doesn’t have “intellectual blind spots”? I call it bias. There are so many assumptions behind the “science” of Astronomy that I wouldn’t believe much of anything anyway. For example, who says it comes from out of our solar system? Bunch of guesses and conjectures based on hypotheses and equations that change all the time. Time will tell. Open-minded is good. Just to be well rounded, spend a little time reading the books of John and Revelation in the Bible so you have a few other things to think about as events unfold. Can’t do any harm, and could help in the (very) long run. Have a wonderful day and thank you again!
There are lots of claims about the object which are not confirmed. However it is admitted by our authorities to be moving considerably faster than escape velocity. If that is so, it must have originated from outside the solar system. Rejecting that conclusion is rejecting basic laws of motion. If we wish to make sense of things we must start somewhere.
Its interstellar origin is being painted as an unremarkable phenomenon. That's where the distortion begins...
Indeed, it is apt advice to be well rounded. But though it is a good source of wisdom, the Bible is not the only one. If one is open to reading sources from other cultures, then that is really going to make you well rounded.
Unfortunately, logic forces us to admit that A and non-A cannot both be true. So, if Yahweh says He is the Origin of the universe (and He explains it to the degree He chooses to do so in the Bible), then the idea that there is another (different) origin can’t also be the truth. Since the equation and constants of velocities etc., are based on man-made hypotheses, I’m going with the Creator’s explanation. I’m ok with not being able to explain everything by man’s logic, since flawed men’s explanations are usually also flawed. I’m happy to be well-rounded, but I’m the end, there is a Truth, and it may well be outside our ability to fully define and explain. False explanations aren’t very useful. Natural Laws must exist within Natural boundaries. SUPERnatural Origins don’t need to exist/operate within Natural Laws/ boundaries, and since the Biblical God invented natural laws, He can operate beyond them. He will also prove, in the end, to be the Source of the Truth. So, I’ll look to the Bible to ultimately predict the universe’s future, and to predict my own future.
My point is that whether there’s an astronomical body approaching Earth or not, I already know the ultimate “trajectory” of everything, because I don’t have to trust any man-made ideas from any cultural, “scientific”, or Natural explanations other than those that God has explained. If one chooses to reject God (Yahweh), then he/she will have to try to find answers elsewhere, and those answers will be flawed and will ultimately prove only as true as they align with Biblical prophecy. In the end, there IS only one Truth. I didn’t define it—God did. We either believe it or not, but our beliefs don’t change it. It (Truth) needs to shape our beliefs, not the other way around. I do get that if you reject the God of the Bible, then the Bible won’t satisfy you, but in the end the Truth will stand. We all have faith in something.
Anyhoo—thanks for the article and the discussion. I appreciate you. Have a great day!
Apparently Avi Loeb is associated with the World Economic Forum. The first 10 minutes of this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1ZK3BxoUs ) is interesting (the rest is not) and points out his connections. Loeb is claiming this object may be hostile. If that were the case, I think we would have known by now. Is this part of the agenda to set the stage for a fake alien invasion? It's a shame that between Avi Loeb and those NASA scientists who have completely lost any sense of curiosity about the universe, we may never learn anything about this object that has entered our solar system.
I don't know or claim to know what 3I Atlas is. It may be a probe sent out a very long time ago, after all as you've pointed out Madhava, we've launched probes of our own outside our solar system. It's just unfortunate that what should be an object of wonder, could be turned into a 'tool' for groups with ulterior ( or nefarious) motives.
That's a crackpot video. The WEC has a page on probably every prominent persona on Earth, it doesn't make them a stooge. Some people have even complained to them about being highlighted on their Website and ask to be removed, and they won't do it. So that means zip. And he hasn't claimed there will be an invasion, that's nonsense.
He has merely stated, quite rationally, that we should survey these objects carefully, and have a protocol in place in case they show indications of an intelligent source. The Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared".
So, a fake alien invasion, is always possible, but you don't need 3I/Atlas for that, there are enough UAP incidents going on right in front of our collective faces that would be far more effective to create such a scenario.
For the record Avi Loeb is listed as an agenda contributor on the WEF site, with an article included. Would that have been done without his permission? Secondly I never claimed he said there would be an alien invasion. I said "Loeb is claiming this object MAY be hostile". The key words are "may be". As for whether Loeb's involvement with the WEF is consequential or not, I'll let readers decide on that for themselves.
WEF, CFR, Bilderberg, UN etc these are big tent organizations, they like to put on a pretense of inclusion, democracy and consensus. So there are literally thousands who are "agenda contributors", which is 90% BS, it's all for show, there is a core of these organizations that determine policy, and mostly that is at the direction of the Central Banker Cartel. So you are really stretching your imagination to the limit to figure that means Avi Loeb is part of their conspiracies.
I believe he briefly included the term "may be hostile" in a minor remark, which once again you are blowing way out of proportion. It would be like saying a large asteroid may strike the Earth at any time. So? We all know that.
Fact is he has been very mundane in his statements apart from that there are a lot of peculiarities about 3I/Atlas. Improbable peculiarities.
I don't see a coherent hypothesis about an intentional origin.
The main thing we know about its composition is that it is emitting a cloud of CO2. One natural interpretation is that the core is mostly dry ice -- like many comets. It's true that people exhale CO2, but any space ship designed to house animals with metabolisms like ours for thousands of years would have to be recycling its CO2 back to O2. The CO2 is not rocket exhaust because the path of 3I is "inertial", meaning passively following gravity.
The fact that it is in the plane of the ecliptic is a statement about where it came from, not how it was aimed. The fact that three of them have been detected in the last 8 years suggests that such objects are common, but that they're too small to have attracted our notice before the existence of wide-angle computerized sky surveys.
If there are space ships entering our solar system, they are too small to resolve except as a point of light.
As I mentioned, the composition of the object is not compelling in any way. I'm not suggesting the CO2 emission has anything to do with a propulsion system.
Neither am I suggesting that the object houses animals or entities with metabolism like ours.
"The fact that it is in the plane of the ecliptic is a statement about where it came from, not how it was aimed". Not sure how you can defend that. Yes, it is a statement about where it came from, but how do you know it wasn't aimed as well?
The number of objects on near Earth trajectories that are detected haven't changed much over the decades yet these three have appeared recently. It could be a coincidence. And it might not be. I disagree that it "suggests that such objects are common". Given the tens of thousands we detect a year, these objects are unequivocally uncommon.
I believe you are saying that having one pass by every couple of years is common. That is an assumption. I concede that I too am assuming that these events are uncommon. We are both just hypothesizing.
Can you explain what you mean by "passively following gravity"? It sounds like you are suggesting that 3I got pulled in towards the sun by its gravity. While this is true how do you explain its remarkable velocity radially? It must have already been hurtling towards the solar system before the Sun contributed to its velocity, otherwise it would have approached the solar system in a less eccentric path, right? In this sense it is behaving like it has been "aimed".
Coming into the plane of the ecliptic indicates the direction from which the body came, unless it arrived and did a sudden change of course to align with our solar system.
My reference to "inertial motion" just means that the object is apparently not under power. It is behaving the way a passive object would, following a trajectory dictated by inertia and gravity.
Josh, can you comment on its velocity and trajectory? Basic kinematics would indicate that if it had been redirected by another star system it was sent on a near perfect trajectory.
Because its kinetic energy is so great and path so eccentric the Sun's gravity would not have contributed much to bringing it in on its apparent path. In other words it had to have already been on a collision course with the Solar System before it was "sucked in".
It's all about probabilities. All of the nine anomalies mentioned by Avi Loeb (linked above) can be explained away, some with great difficulty, but all with a low probability. Add to it the extremely peculiar silence of NASA & China on the best data that they've already received and normally would have released almost immediately.
Probabilities multiply, as Christopher Carson, linked above documents:
"...This paper models those observations as a series of conditional “logic gates,” each representing a physical constraint: mass, density, emission geometry, and dynamical recoil, through which any viable natural explanation must pass. The result is a narrow epistemic corridor: a small region of parameter space that satisfies the observed data only under finely tuned conditions.
The analysis employs Inferential Convergence Theory (ICT) to formalize how such multi-gate coincidence leads to epistemic narrowing, an informational event in which the precision of a natural model itself acquires evidentiary weight. Under Carson Conjecture I (probabilistic asymmetry under multi-gate coincidence), the corridor’s extreme fine-tuning implies a declining joint probability for unguided naturalism and a proportionate rise in the complementary posterior of artificiality...."
How does this "alien civilisation" know that earth is at a "civilisational turning point" if its probe has not even reached us yet? Are they telepathic across the void of space?
And if they are telepathic why do they need a physical probe that looks like an asteroid? They can just meditate and get the information that way.
Well they can determine that their is a life and further an industrial civilization at light speed by astronomical observation.
"Turning point" again at light speed from at least when nuclear weapons were first used.
Beyond that, speculating about what an alien intelligence might be capable of or even worse motivated by, may well be like Chimpanzees speculating about what those contrails in the sky are for.
I sometimes speculate about the true reason for the contrails.
Tolkien says "they are the smokes of Mordor, darkening heart and counsel."
PS. light speed is rather slow for interstellar travel. If this asteroid is travelling at less than the speed of light it must have set out some time before industrial civilisation started.
"Alpha Centauri is 4.37 ly from us; one component of the system, Proxima Centauri, is a third, small star orbiting the others (αCen A and B) distantly and is only 4.24 ly from us "
"Current technology can't get us anywhere close to the speed of light (c); the Voyager probes are moving at something on the order of 1/17500 c. At speeds like that, it's about 75,000 years to Alpha Centauri."
Light speed is only slow for the stationary observer. For the person on the craft it is instantaneous.
3I/Atlas is moving at 1/5000C and would cover 4ly in 1175 yrs.
Information can travel at light speed. An observer could easily anticipate human civilization development thousands of years ago. Or could be just curious about this solar system, which has many unique properties.
Beyond that, we really don't know enough about such things, they are unsolved mysteries, so that is entirely speculative.
No, it cannot be instantaneous on a craft as this has mass. Objects with mass cannot reach light speed.
You may be able to send information at light speed. But this would still take time. Given that industrial civilisation is only two hundred years old there is not much time for the information of our current civilisational situation to spread out across the light years of space. Any information will be aging as it moves.
Of course, we know that, but it is the limit of an infinite series, so you can get arbitrarily close to the speed of light, it just means mass will increase as speed increases, but time also dilates proportionally to the increase in mass.
No you can populate the entire galaxy, in 500Myrs at 3I/Atlas speeds. Riding a rogue planet or asteroid is a good way to do it. Utilizing the resources on the asteroid/planet to supply an ecosystem while travelling.
Warp drives, interdimensional travel etc are speculation. We could even live within a simulation, in which case all things are possible.
Youre right it is speculation..but it makes sense that some other more elegant way of getting from one end of this universe to the other must exist other than actually moving....
Thank you, very interesting. The Galileo probe used gravitational boosts from Venus and earth to reach Jupiter. If 3I/ATLAS did originate from Ross 134 where does the trajectory point to after it leaves the solar system? If this could be shown to be a nearby star it would be indicative of a planned trajectory.
We've all learned how "expert consensus" is often not a consensus, or anything at all. But I was curious about your statement that most experts agree their must be ET life. I've never been part of the hard science community, but I was for a time among psych experts. I always thought the "experts" said that it was more likely that ETs did NOT exist. That the conditions of Earth were so unique, etc etc.
Has the expert consensus changed in the last decade or was it never what I thought it was? Keep in mind I thought Neil DeGrass Tyson was smart until only about 4 years ago, so I could've been misled very easily.
I suppose there is no source that speaks for all scientists. However it would be absurd to insist that life is unique to this planet if for all intents and purposes the universe is infinite. Life being exclusive to Earth is an idea born of religious dogma. Perhaps that's why astronomers refrain from being vocal about it.
It seems that the astronomy community is suffering from the same sudden onset of cognitive dysfunction as was the medical community during COVID (whatever that was). Aside from a basically flawed assumption that what we observe is all there is, they commit the fundamental error of attributing reality to models not real phenomena. They also alter or ignore their own definitions. Calling 3I ATLAS a comet is like calling a seal a fish because you observe the seal swimming underwater and you believe only fish can swim underwater. Whatever it is it does not display a number of the defining characteristics of a comet, so admit that it’s something you don’t understand. It seems they are in such a panic to deny the possibility of it being alien technology, that they are just adopting a narrative without reference to the best data.
Listening to the Light: What 3I/ATLAS Might Be Telling Us About Intelligence, Propulsion, and Perception
Humans are creatures of sound. Our biology is tuned to vibration—ears shaped to catch waves in air, minds trained to decode meaning from pitch and rhythm. Even our technologies reflect this bias: radios, sonar, and interstellar messages encoded in electromagnetic echoes of our auditory instincts.
But what if intelligence elsewhere never evolved with sound?
What if their perception developed in silence—attuned not to pressure waves, but to the curvature of spacetime, the shimmer of mass in motion, the whisper of photons bending under engineered weight?
This isn’t fantasy. It’s a challenge to our assumptions.
Just as we once believed Earth was the center of the cosmos, we now risk assuming our sensory palette defines the universal language of communication and travel.
Then came 3I/ATLAS.
A Comet—or Something Else?
Discovered in 2023, 3I/ATLAS is the third confirmed interstellar object to pass through our solar system. But unlike its predecessors, it exhibits behaviors that defy conventional cometary physics:
• Anti-tail anomaly: Instead of streaming away from the Sun, its jet points toward it—a rare and poorly understood phenomenon.
• Nickel-rich, iron-free emissions: It ejects about 4 grams of nickel per second, with no detectable iron—a composition not seen in natural comets.
• Slow dust ejection and faint coma: These features suggest atypical sublimation behavior, possibly pointing to exotic material properties or engineered shielding.
• Deliberate motion: Its trajectory and speed appear unusually restrained for an interstellar object, prompting speculation about intentional deceleration.
These anomalies have led some researchers—including Harvard’s Avi Loeb—to entertain the possibility that 3I/ATLAS might be more than just a rock. Not as a conclusion, but as a hypothesis worth exploring.
The Physics of Light-Speed Travel—And a Speculative Twist
In theoretical physics, photons are massless, yet they carry momentum. This principle underlies concepts like solar sails and laser-driven propulsion. But what if a civilization could go further—infusing photons with effective mass through exotic fields or quantum coupling?
Such a system might:
• Manipulate inertia to reduce resistance at relativistic speeds
• Use mass-infused light beams to create directional thrust without conventional fuel
• Achieve near-light-speed travel by bending the rules of radiation pressure and momentum transfer
If 3I/ATLAS were equipped with such a system, its anti-tail could be a directed energy plume—part propulsion, part sensor array. Its nickel-only emissions might reflect engineered alloys designed for heat resistance, stealth, or electromagnetic control.
And if it slowed near our star, it might not be a malfunction. It might be observation. A pause. A moment of listening—not with ears, but with instruments tuned to the chaos and beauty of our electromagnetic noise.
Why the Nickel Matters
In most cosmic bodies, nickel and iron are inseparable. They form together in supernovae and are chemically similar, often alloyed. If nickel is present, iron should be too.
But 3I/ATLAS emits nickel without iron.
This suggests selective sublimation or engineered separation—something not explained by standard thermal or chemical models. In metallurgy, nickel is prized for its heat resistance, corrosion protection, and magnetic properties. If this object were artificial, a nickel-rich composition could reflect intentional design for durability near stars or for stealth.
It’s not proof. But it’s a clue.
Cosmic Humility
We send probes. We watch planets. We slow down to study what matters.
Why assume others wouldn’t?
The story of 3I/ATLAS invites us to reconsider what intelligence might look like—not just in form, but in perception. It challenges our assumptions about propulsion, communication, and the quiet ways observation might occur.
Whether natural or not, 3I/ATLAS reminds us: anomalies are where understanding begins.
Beautiful 👏
We need to keep our minds open to many hypotheses. It always amazes me that people calling themselves “scientists”, think all phenomena can be measured ,and possibly dismissed, by their existing yardsticks.
I have no idea what the origin of this object is. What concerns me more is the seeming lack of curiosity of the so called “expert scientists”. Are they truly that rigid in their own thoughts that they’ve abandoned the tenets of science and refuse to question or explore, to disprove their own theories? Or is something else driving them to deny anything is different about what’s happening? Either way it speaks poorly about what’s happened to education in the last half century.
I do feel that it is quite probable we are being observed, not by hostile forces but by intelligent life forms that possibly realize we are not quite ready to "play" with them since our world is still being controlled by fear tactics! I do hope we mature soon. I would love to experience Contact in my lifetime. As always, your article was a piece of magnificent writing.
Thank you for providing some light on this important topic and for fostering a very interesting discussion.
I first heard about 3I/ATLAS from Jeff Childers' substack this summer. I noticed that this news was generally ignored by MSM. Déjà vu.
For my part, I am no expert but I have always thought it was illogical that the Cosmos, in its immensity, gave birth to only the one human people living on our Earth. It seems to me not only impossible, but perhaps very pretentious to think so. I understand and respect that many people today cannot yet accept this possibility and it is totally their choice.
But it appears obvious to me that this object visiting our system is not "natural", nor a pure coincidence, but that it must come from extraterrestrial peoples with an intention that remains unknown to us.
Talking about it, exchanging, trying to understand seems essential for our own evolution.
I find that your assumptions about the possible intentions behind this stellar object are inspiring. Same with some contributions made here.
Of course, they presuppose the existence of other forms of life elsewhere in this universe.
Fascinating, Madhava! Thank you for shining light on this unusual cosmic phenomenon. While I agree that we should be open to all potential explanations of it, the fact remains that right here and now it still behooves us humans to utilize the vast intelligence we already possess to make our own world more livable, i.e., choosing a path of peace and cooperation, over perpetuating unresolved conflict and eventual self-destruction.
Can't argue with that!
‘Nids…. IYKYK
But in a serious note, it’s fascinating how dismissive scientists are that something may not have a natural explanation.
We are safe under the firmament.
Interesting. Thank you for the hard work and information. Who doesn’t have “intellectual blind spots”? I call it bias. There are so many assumptions behind the “science” of Astronomy that I wouldn’t believe much of anything anyway. For example, who says it comes from out of our solar system? Bunch of guesses and conjectures based on hypotheses and equations that change all the time. Time will tell. Open-minded is good. Just to be well rounded, spend a little time reading the books of John and Revelation in the Bible so you have a few other things to think about as events unfold. Can’t do any harm, and could help in the (very) long run. Have a wonderful day and thank you again!
There are lots of claims about the object which are not confirmed. However it is admitted by our authorities to be moving considerably faster than escape velocity. If that is so, it must have originated from outside the solar system. Rejecting that conclusion is rejecting basic laws of motion. If we wish to make sense of things we must start somewhere.
Its interstellar origin is being painted as an unremarkable phenomenon. That's where the distortion begins...
Indeed, it is apt advice to be well rounded. But though it is a good source of wisdom, the Bible is not the only one. If one is open to reading sources from other cultures, then that is really going to make you well rounded.
Unfortunately, logic forces us to admit that A and non-A cannot both be true. So, if Yahweh says He is the Origin of the universe (and He explains it to the degree He chooses to do so in the Bible), then the idea that there is another (different) origin can’t also be the truth. Since the equation and constants of velocities etc., are based on man-made hypotheses, I’m going with the Creator’s explanation. I’m ok with not being able to explain everything by man’s logic, since flawed men’s explanations are usually also flawed. I’m happy to be well-rounded, but I’m the end, there is a Truth, and it may well be outside our ability to fully define and explain. False explanations aren’t very useful. Natural Laws must exist within Natural boundaries. SUPERnatural Origins don’t need to exist/operate within Natural Laws/ boundaries, and since the Biblical God invented natural laws, He can operate beyond them. He will also prove, in the end, to be the Source of the Truth. So, I’ll look to the Bible to ultimately predict the universe’s future, and to predict my own future.
My point is that whether there’s an astronomical body approaching Earth or not, I already know the ultimate “trajectory” of everything, because I don’t have to trust any man-made ideas from any cultural, “scientific”, or Natural explanations other than those that God has explained. If one chooses to reject God (Yahweh), then he/she will have to try to find answers elsewhere, and those answers will be flawed and will ultimately prove only as true as they align with Biblical prophecy. In the end, there IS only one Truth. I didn’t define it—God did. We either believe it or not, but our beliefs don’t change it. It (Truth) needs to shape our beliefs, not the other way around. I do get that if you reject the God of the Bible, then the Bible won’t satisfy you, but in the end the Truth will stand. We all have faith in something.
Anyhoo—thanks for the article and the discussion. I appreciate you. Have a great day!
Apparently Avi Loeb is associated with the World Economic Forum. The first 10 minutes of this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1ZK3BxoUs ) is interesting (the rest is not) and points out his connections. Loeb is claiming this object may be hostile. If that were the case, I think we would have known by now. Is this part of the agenda to set the stage for a fake alien invasion? It's a shame that between Avi Loeb and those NASA scientists who have completely lost any sense of curiosity about the universe, we may never learn anything about this object that has entered our solar system.
I don't know or claim to know what 3I Atlas is. It may be a probe sent out a very long time ago, after all as you've pointed out Madhava, we've launched probes of our own outside our solar system. It's just unfortunate that what should be an object of wonder, could be turned into a 'tool' for groups with ulterior ( or nefarious) motives.
That's a crackpot video. The WEC has a page on probably every prominent persona on Earth, it doesn't make them a stooge. Some people have even complained to them about being highlighted on their Website and ask to be removed, and they won't do it. So that means zip. And he hasn't claimed there will be an invasion, that's nonsense.
He has merely stated, quite rationally, that we should survey these objects carefully, and have a protocol in place in case they show indications of an intelligent source. The Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared".
So, a fake alien invasion, is always possible, but you don't need 3I/Atlas for that, there are enough UAP incidents going on right in front of our collective faces that would be far more effective to create such a scenario.
For the record Avi Loeb is listed as an agenda contributor on the WEF site, with an article included. Would that have been done without his permission? Secondly I never claimed he said there would be an alien invasion. I said "Loeb is claiming this object MAY be hostile". The key words are "may be". As for whether Loeb's involvement with the WEF is consequential or not, I'll let readers decide on that for themselves.
WEF, CFR, Bilderberg, UN etc these are big tent organizations, they like to put on a pretense of inclusion, democracy and consensus. So there are literally thousands who are "agenda contributors", which is 90% BS, it's all for show, there is a core of these organizations that determine policy, and mostly that is at the direction of the Central Banker Cartel. So you are really stretching your imagination to the limit to figure that means Avi Loeb is part of their conspiracies.
I believe he briefly included the term "may be hostile" in a minor remark, which once again you are blowing way out of proportion. It would be like saying a large asteroid may strike the Earth at any time. So? We all know that.
Fact is he has been very mundane in his statements apart from that there are a lot of peculiarities about 3I/Atlas. Improbable peculiarities.
Agreed
I don't see a coherent hypothesis about an intentional origin.
The main thing we know about its composition is that it is emitting a cloud of CO2. One natural interpretation is that the core is mostly dry ice -- like many comets. It's true that people exhale CO2, but any space ship designed to house animals with metabolisms like ours for thousands of years would have to be recycling its CO2 back to O2. The CO2 is not rocket exhaust because the path of 3I is "inertial", meaning passively following gravity.
The fact that it is in the plane of the ecliptic is a statement about where it came from, not how it was aimed. The fact that three of them have been detected in the last 8 years suggests that such objects are common, but that they're too small to have attracted our notice before the existence of wide-angle computerized sky surveys.
If there are space ships entering our solar system, they are too small to resolve except as a point of light.
As I mentioned, the composition of the object is not compelling in any way. I'm not suggesting the CO2 emission has anything to do with a propulsion system.
Neither am I suggesting that the object houses animals or entities with metabolism like ours.
"The fact that it is in the plane of the ecliptic is a statement about where it came from, not how it was aimed". Not sure how you can defend that. Yes, it is a statement about where it came from, but how do you know it wasn't aimed as well?
The number of objects on near Earth trajectories that are detected haven't changed much over the decades yet these three have appeared recently. It could be a coincidence. And it might not be. I disagree that it "suggests that such objects are common". Given the tens of thousands we detect a year, these objects are unequivocally uncommon.
I believe you are saying that having one pass by every couple of years is common. That is an assumption. I concede that I too am assuming that these events are uncommon. We are both just hypothesizing.
Can you explain what you mean by "passively following gravity"? It sounds like you are suggesting that 3I got pulled in towards the sun by its gravity. While this is true how do you explain its remarkable velocity radially? It must have already been hurtling towards the solar system before the Sun contributed to its velocity, otherwise it would have approached the solar system in a less eccentric path, right? In this sense it is behaving like it has been "aimed".
Coming into the plane of the ecliptic indicates the direction from which the body came, unless it arrived and did a sudden change of course to align with our solar system.
My reference to "inertial motion" just means that the object is apparently not under power. It is behaving the way a passive object would, following a trajectory dictated by inertia and gravity.
Josh, can you comment on its velocity and trajectory? Basic kinematics would indicate that if it had been redirected by another star system it was sent on a near perfect trajectory.
Because its kinetic energy is so great and path so eccentric the Sun's gravity would not have contributed much to bringing it in on its apparent path. In other words it had to have already been on a collision course with the Solar System before it was "sucked in".
Yes, I agree. We don't know how common such objects are, so we don't know how often they might be "aimed at our sun" by chance.
Would you agree that given its velocity it is fair to describe it as "aimed at our sun" and not simply drawn in by the Sun's gravity?
It's all about probabilities. All of the nine anomalies mentioned by Avi Loeb (linked above) can be explained away, some with great difficulty, but all with a low probability. Add to it the extremely peculiar silence of NASA & China on the best data that they've already received and normally would have released almost immediately.
Probabilities multiply, as Christopher Carson, linked above documents:
"...This paper models those observations as a series of conditional “logic gates,” each representing a physical constraint: mass, density, emission geometry, and dynamical recoil, through which any viable natural explanation must pass. The result is a narrow epistemic corridor: a small region of parameter space that satisfies the observed data only under finely tuned conditions.
The analysis employs Inferential Convergence Theory (ICT) to formalize how such multi-gate coincidence leads to epistemic narrowing, an informational event in which the precision of a natural model itself acquires evidentiary weight. Under Carson Conjecture I (probabilistic asymmetry under multi-gate coincidence), the corridor’s extreme fine-tuning implies a declining joint probability for unguided naturalism and a proportionate rise in the complementary posterior of artificiality...."
There is way, way more about it than that. Read and watch the links I provided above.
How does this "alien civilisation" know that earth is at a "civilisational turning point" if its probe has not even reached us yet? Are they telepathic across the void of space?
And if they are telepathic why do they need a physical probe that looks like an asteroid? They can just meditate and get the information that way.
Well they can determine that their is a life and further an industrial civilization at light speed by astronomical observation.
"Turning point" again at light speed from at least when nuclear weapons were first used.
Beyond that, speculating about what an alien intelligence might be capable of or even worse motivated by, may well be like Chimpanzees speculating about what those contrails in the sky are for.
I sometimes speculate about the true reason for the contrails.
Tolkien says "they are the smokes of Mordor, darkening heart and counsel."
PS. light speed is rather slow for interstellar travel. If this asteroid is travelling at less than the speed of light it must have set out some time before industrial civilisation started.
"Alpha Centauri is 4.37 ly from us; one component of the system, Proxima Centauri, is a third, small star orbiting the others (αCen A and B) distantly and is only 4.24 ly from us "
"Current technology can't get us anywhere close to the speed of light (c); the Voyager probes are moving at something on the order of 1/17500 c. At speeds like that, it's about 75,000 years to Alpha Centauri."
Light speed is only slow for the stationary observer. For the person on the craft it is instantaneous.
3I/Atlas is moving at 1/5000C and would cover 4ly in 1175 yrs.
Information can travel at light speed. An observer could easily anticipate human civilization development thousands of years ago. Or could be just curious about this solar system, which has many unique properties.
Beyond that, we really don't know enough about such things, they are unsolved mysteries, so that is entirely speculative.
"3I/Atlas is moving at 1/5000C and would cover 4ly in 1175 yrs."
Can you explain your math here?
No, it cannot be instantaneous on a craft as this has mass. Objects with mass cannot reach light speed.
You may be able to send information at light speed. But this would still take time. Given that industrial civilisation is only two hundred years old there is not much time for the information of our current civilisational situation to spread out across the light years of space. Any information will be aging as it moves.
Of course, we know that, but it is the limit of an infinite series, so you can get arbitrarily close to the speed of light, it just means mass will increase as speed increases, but time also dilates proportionally to the increase in mass.
Any interstellar travel will have to be through some sort of "warp" drive/hyperspace ability , wormhole or portal/stargate idea....
No you can populate the entire galaxy, in 500Myrs at 3I/Atlas speeds. Riding a rogue planet or asteroid is a good way to do it. Utilizing the resources on the asteroid/planet to supply an ecosystem while travelling.
Warp drives, interdimensional travel etc are speculation. We could even live within a simulation, in which case all things are possible.
Youre right it is speculation..but it makes sense that some other more elegant way of getting from one end of this universe to the other must exist other than actually moving....
I understand everything happens in consciousness. If space and time are conceptual, then anything can manifest in consciousness.
Thank you, very interesting. The Galileo probe used gravitational boosts from Venus and earth to reach Jupiter. If 3I/ATLAS did originate from Ross 134 where does the trajectory point to after it leaves the solar system? If this could be shown to be a nearby star it would be indicative of a planned trajectory.
We've all learned how "expert consensus" is often not a consensus, or anything at all. But I was curious about your statement that most experts agree their must be ET life. I've never been part of the hard science community, but I was for a time among psych experts. I always thought the "experts" said that it was more likely that ETs did NOT exist. That the conditions of Earth were so unique, etc etc.
Has the expert consensus changed in the last decade or was it never what I thought it was? Keep in mind I thought Neil DeGrass Tyson was smart until only about 4 years ago, so I could've been misled very easily.
I suppose there is no source that speaks for all scientists. However it would be absurd to insist that life is unique to this planet if for all intents and purposes the universe is infinite. Life being exclusive to Earth is an idea born of religious dogma. Perhaps that's why astronomers refrain from being vocal about it.
A bit of biblical sci-fi
https://open.substack.com/pub/sbm369/p/16-the-golden-sphere-of-zion-or-3i?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3wu1fz
It seems that the astronomy community is suffering from the same sudden onset of cognitive dysfunction as was the medical community during COVID (whatever that was). Aside from a basically flawed assumption that what we observe is all there is, they commit the fundamental error of attributing reality to models not real phenomena. They also alter or ignore their own definitions. Calling 3I ATLAS a comet is like calling a seal a fish because you observe the seal swimming underwater and you believe only fish can swim underwater. Whatever it is it does not display a number of the defining characteristics of a comet, so admit that it’s something you don’t understand. It seems they are in such a panic to deny the possibility of it being alien technology, that they are just adopting a narrative without reference to the best data.