once some people lay down a truth claim, their ego can never let them admit error. this is especially troubling for any scientist, since trial and error are some of the foundations of scientific knowledge.
it’s fairly obvious that celebrity “scientists” like Hotez and Tyson are being driven more by narcissistic preservation than a pursuit of truth. perhaps this is one of the more pernicious mistakes of making any scientist into a celebrity.
It's entirely possible that those folks have been groomed for their position because of their narcissistic tendencies.
I also think it is worthwhile to acknowledge that it is very hard to admit you were wrong if you previously insulted people who now turn out to be right. That can be so unacceptable for certain people that they start thinking in irrational ways to forever avoid facing that.
This is why it is so important to remain civil in exchanges with those we disagree with. If you think you are certain enough to insult someone for disagreeing it's a sign to take pause and consider if you may be fooling yourself at some level.
your response makes me think of this quote from Thomas Sowell:
“People will forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right—especially if events prove you right while proving them wrong.”
You're probably right, and your ability to do self reflection in moments like this is an inspiration. I'm just not wired that way. That is never my first inclination. Not saying my way is the right way... not by a long shot.
Narcissism is a curious thing....We just fired..or more accurately steered ,one of the contractors working on a house we are getting ready to rent , into leaving the job. We had brought to his attention some elements we were very concerned about and he simply would not acknowledge any of it...actually doubled down on illogical reasons of why he had to do it that way...
The people I know in the highest ranks of academia almost all show these same narcissistic tendencies as NDGT, and were accordingly very willing to accept consensus as it reafirmed their status in the heirarchy, even when they admitted to me, directly, that they knew better.
Of course we need evidence for everything, but every time this douchebag opens his mouth shows evidence that he is a paid shill. I can't even watch him, he's so repugnant in his lying.
"The movie producers highlight an outbreak of measles in DisneyLand which resulted from vaccine hesitancy"
Incorrect. I covered this one many years ago. Patient Zero - much the vaccine shills will not tell you - was actually a vaccine recipient. And the others who got it? Also vaccinated.
Vaccine shills have continuously pushed the myth that patient zero in that case was unvaccinated, or the secondary cases were unvaccinated, but that's actually false.
My father passed away from the vaccines suddenly 1.5 years ago, he was completely healthy and could have lived at least 25+ years comfortably, I have the whole chart and we were told the cause by doctors who knew the reason so we connected the dots and it makes total sense, so NDT can go f himself, that mass murdering terrorist from hell.
We have few deaths in the family from this.
It's not a game to me but very very serious, and they might be "ha-ha," "oopsie" laughing but they will face consequences if I ever encounter them in life.
I was very disappointed by Tyson’s appearance on The Highwire. I thoroughly enjoyed his updated version of Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos” and was flummoxed to see how obtuse he really is. Del was way too easy on him.
Agreed. The shocking thing is that someone of NDGT's intellect should have seen that he was incontrovertibly uninformed after that conversation. Rather than following the threads that BigTree offered he chose to stick to his guns. He's free to do that, of course, but he has chosen to misrepresent himself as a rational, logical scientist. He is a poser.
Tyson is an astrophysicist. I have no idea if he is any good at it. I’m not qualified to make that determination. Tyson has opinions on many other scientific disciplines; however, like me, he is not qualified to judge anyone else’s competence in those fields. I am not aware that astrophysics as a discipline requires any study of immunology, molecular biology, physiology, pharmaceutics, or epidemiology— Starboy needs to stay in his lane.
cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.
once some people lay down a truth claim, their ego can never let them admit error. this is especially troubling for any scientist, since trial and error are some of the foundations of scientific knowledge.
it’s fairly obvious that celebrity “scientists” like Hotez and Tyson are being driven more by narcissistic preservation than a pursuit of truth. perhaps this is one of the more pernicious mistakes of making any scientist into a celebrity.
It's entirely possible that those folks have been groomed for their position because of their narcissistic tendencies.
I also think it is worthwhile to acknowledge that it is very hard to admit you were wrong if you previously insulted people who now turn out to be right. That can be so unacceptable for certain people that they start thinking in irrational ways to forever avoid facing that.
This is why it is so important to remain civil in exchanges with those we disagree with. If you think you are certain enough to insult someone for disagreeing it's a sign to take pause and consider if you may be fooling yourself at some level.
you make a good point.
your response makes me think of this quote from Thomas Sowell:
“People will forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right—especially if events prove you right while proving them wrong.”
this might help explain Tyson and friends...
The grooming-culling—begins in nursery school.
Great advice to keep in mind!
You're probably right, and your ability to do self reflection in moments like this is an inspiration. I'm just not wired that way. That is never my first inclination. Not saying my way is the right way... not by a long shot.
Narcissism is a curious thing....We just fired..or more accurately steered ,one of the contractors working on a house we are getting ready to rent , into leaving the job. We had brought to his attention some elements we were very concerned about and he simply would not acknowledge any of it...actually doubled down on illogical reasons of why he had to do it that way...
The people I know in the highest ranks of academia almost all show these same narcissistic tendencies as NDGT, and were accordingly very willing to accept consensus as it reafirmed their status in the heirarchy, even when they admitted to me, directly, that they knew better.
A somewhat related nugget from the UK: https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/the-road-to-serfdom
Imagine the FDA chief at the time still not knowing that the public would get a differently produced version of the goo than the one he authorised....
Tyson loves the sound of his own voice
Tyson is a pathetic schill for mainstream media....and not very bright at that...
Another thing Tyson could add to his résumé: ‘Pompous Purveyor of Lies’.
God help me to not hate people…
Of course we need evidence for everything, but every time this douchebag opens his mouth shows evidence that he is a paid shill. I can't even watch him, he's so repugnant in his lying.
"The movie producers highlight an outbreak of measles in DisneyLand which resulted from vaccine hesitancy"
Incorrect. I covered this one many years ago. Patient Zero - much the vaccine shills will not tell you - was actually a vaccine recipient. And the others who got it? Also vaccinated.
Vaccine shills have continuously pushed the myth that patient zero in that case was unvaccinated, or the secondary cases were unvaccinated, but that's actually false.
Here's the proof:
https://www.wired.com/2015/01/vaccinated-people-get-measles-disneyland-blame-unvaccinated/
Neil Degrass Tyson is a dishonest fraudster. Nothing he does is remotely scientific.
My father passed away from the vaccines suddenly 1.5 years ago, he was completely healthy and could have lived at least 25+ years comfortably, I have the whole chart and we were told the cause by doctors who knew the reason so we connected the dots and it makes total sense, so NDT can go f himself, that mass murdering terrorist from hell.
We have few deaths in the family from this.
It's not a game to me but very very serious, and they might be "ha-ha," "oopsie" laughing but they will face consequences if I ever encounter them in life.
I was very disappointed by Tyson’s appearance on The Highwire. I thoroughly enjoyed his updated version of Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos” and was flummoxed to see how obtuse he really is. Del was way too easy on him.
Agreed. The shocking thing is that someone of NDGT's intellect should have seen that he was incontrovertibly uninformed after that conversation. Rather than following the threads that BigTree offered he chose to stick to his guns. He's free to do that, of course, but he has chosen to misrepresent himself as a rational, logical scientist. He is a poser.
There's something immoral, perhaps even criminal, about people like Tyson.
Perhaps the pace of his learning is deliberate?
Tyson is an astrophysicist. I have no idea if he is any good at it. I’m not qualified to make that determination. Tyson has opinions on many other scientific disciplines; however, like me, he is not qualified to judge anyone else’s competence in those fields. I am not aware that astrophysics as a discipline requires any study of immunology, molecular biology, physiology, pharmaceutics, or epidemiology— Starboy needs to stay in his lane.
Kruger & Dunning (2000) Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12688660_Unskilled_and_Unaware_of_It_How_Difficulties_in_Recognizing_One%27s_Own_Incompetence_Lead_to_Inflated_Self-Assessments
The road to mastery has a slippery slope of exuded enthusiam for the novice.
The last line 🌶️ “Neil, I think Leonardo DaVinci had you in mind when he said ‘The Greatest Deception men suffer is from their own opinion.’”